_______________________________________________________________________________ | File Name : MONKEY2.ASC | Online Date : 08/17/94 | | Contributed by : Bert Pool | Dir Category : UNCLASS | | From : KeelyNet BBS | DataLine : (214) 324-3501 | | KeelyNet * PO BOX 870716 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75187 | | A FREE Alternative Sciences BBS sponsored by Vanguard Sciences | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| Following was an interesting followup message on another bbs concerning the Nasca monkey file.... (MONKEY1.ASC is the original file) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Dean To: Jiri Mruzek Msg #435, Aug-07-94 23:38:00 Subject: Re: NASCA MONKEY 3 . -=> Quoting Jiri Mruzek to All <=- . JM> X-File: Pentagram (a brief glimpse into its rich past) JM> JM> There is also one small issue of the Secret of Life. JM> By my own interpretation of his passage on the solids, Plato JM> claims that the Dodecahedron - the 3-D solid with twelve JM> pentagram, or pentagon faces - holds the Secret of Life, as JM> this was the Divine Design with which God had animated the JM> Heavens, i.e., the Universe. Note, he does not use "Earth"! JM> Our translators have two dictionary options for the word Plato JM> had used here: a) to draw pictures of beings JM> b) to animate with soul JM> By Magic traditions, the pentagram's domain cannot be invaded by JM> Evil. Again, and again, this star is ascribed a Holy, or Sacred JM> status (as in Sacred Geometry.) For the protocol, the starting JM> position in pentagram's construction is a cross (the x,y axes). . JM> With so many challenges to our researchers, we stand to hear JM> more on Pentagram's secrets in the future. . I found your postings on this subject absolutely fascinating! Tragically, however (screams of help!), I only received up to the fourth posting. I didn't get the rest of it. Any way you could send it to me, or repost? Anybody else miss it? I don't profess to know anything about the geometrical aspects of it, but I wanted to share the following with you, in case you're not aware of it. . The pentagram, and the number five were not only sacred to the alchemists, or the Pythagoreans. The number five was always, even back to the Qabala. The number five symbolizes knowledge, and this is why the apple was chosen in the bible to represent the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil of which Adam and Eve partook: the core of the apple, when dissected, is always in the shape of the pentagon. . JM> Precision Grip JM> JM> We find that in three cases the Monkey aligns its fingertips in JM> pairs to the X-Star directions, while grasping, or strumming JM> the circle around the Monkey Star like a string. It looks like JM> the Monkey holds the circle between its thumb and index digits. JM> We also find the rest of the hands' design to be similarly JM> deliberate and precise in its many other aspects. JM> Such dexterity in hands and fingers is normally limited to JM> humans and higher primates. The hold between the thumb and the JM> index finger is known as the Precision Grip. JM> But the Americas were ever inhabited only by such lower primate JM> species, which lack the elongated thumb opposable to the other JM> fingers on the same hand, i.e., they lack the Precision Grip. JM> JM> In general, the Monkey is not seen as Anthropomorphic. Yet, it JM> has very capable hands with sensitive fingertips essential to JM> the Precision Grip, and so, in the absence of a local simian JM> model, we have to choose between anthropomorphism, or a non- JM> American model for the Monkey. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Jung studied native cultures around the world, and discovered that most of the subconscious, archetypal images were similar from culture to culture. I wonder if the following could have some possible relation to what you are writing about. . In his book "Dream Symbolism in Relation to Alchemy", Jung writes of this dream: "Many people are present. They are all walking to the left around a square. The dreamer is not in the centre but to one side. They say that a gibbon is to be reconstructed." Let me quote you the definition of gibbon from my dictionary; any of several small, slender, long-armed arboreal anthropoid apes of the genus Hylobates of the East Indies and Southern Asia." Not at all like the ape you described. And yet, if the ape is such an integral, recurring subconscious symbol, would it not be appropriate to subscribe human characteristics. . In mythology, the dog-headed baboon Hermes-Thoth was, along with another God Hermes Trismegistus eventually combined to become Mercury; the God of knowledge and communication (associated with the number five). Thoth had an encyclopedic memory, having written most of the great treatises on magic, as well as mathematics, astronomy and astrology. . Jung says of this "highest among the apes known to the Egyptians...that its godlike affinities make it an equally appropriate symbol for that part of the unconscious which transcends the conscious level." He also states: "The assumption that the human psyche possesses layers that lie below consciousness is not likely to arouse serious opposition. But that there could just as well be layers lying above the consciousness seems to be a surmise which borders on a crimen laesae majestatis humanae, (sorry I don't translate latin). In my experience the conscious mind can claim only a relatively central position and must accept the fact that the unconscious psyche transcends and as it were surrounds it on all sides. Unconscious contents connect it backwards with physiological states on the one hand and archetypal data on the other. But it is extended forwards by intuitions which are determined partly by archetypes and partly by subliminal perceptions depending on the relativity of time and space in the unconscious." . Seems to me like whomever encoded that message inside of an ape may have had good reason to. Could this be an encoded message about our own evolution? . ... "Man has the one true religion. Several of them!" -- Twain ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 . .-- TriToss (tm) 1.01 - #22 * Origin: End of the Line, Austin,TX, (512-459-4693) (1:382/208) . . David Dean had some very interesting insights into this structure, and I felt both Joel and Gerald would find these of interest.....> Bert