______________________________________________________________________________ | File Name : ACOUSAMP.ASC | Online Date : 05/09/95 | | Contributed by : InterNet | Dir Category : KEELY | | From : KeelyNet BBS | DataLine : (214) 324-3501 | | A FREE Alternative Sciences BBS sponsored by Vanguard Sciences | | KeelyNet * PO BOX 870716 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75187 | | Voice/FAX : (214) 324-8741 InterNet - keelynet@ix.netcom.com | | WWW sites - http://www.eskimo.com/~billb & http://www.protree.com | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| Two interesting messages about sound and sampling of complex signals. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Path: news.cc.uch.gr!news.forth.gr!ecrc!Munich.Germany.EU.net!Germany.EU.net! EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews. upenn.edu!b lue.seas.upenn.edu!kisley From: kisley@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Michael A Kisley) Newsgroups: bionet.neuroscience,alt.sci.physics.acoustics,bionet.audiology Subject: acoustic "colors" Date: 15 Mar 1995 20:37:51 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3k7j6v$s0u@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.seas.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: news.cc.uch.gr bionet.neuroscience:3934 alt.sci.physics.acoustics:193 I am posting this message in hopes of receiving suggestions/references regarding the general topic of auditory "color". However, I would also hope that this post might stir up some discussions. This message is cross-posted to the following newsgroups: bionet.neuroscience alt.sci.physics.acoustics bionet.audiology While doing an introductory review of the topic of echolocation in bats, I came across a very interesting idea in a 1990 review paper by G. Neuweiler: the idea of echo "colors" in bat echolocation. The general idea behind the use of the word "color" is that the bats might be analyzing the spectral patterns of the targets which are reflecting their broadband emissions. In the general discussion of this review, Neuweiler goes on to hint that perhaps this "color" - analysis IS a general feature of auditory systems. His reference to humans is that they might perceive acoustical "Gestalt" (grouped senses) during speech recognition and when listening to music. A somewhat tangential but nevertheless related topic is the use of sonar aids for blind people. Apparently there were attempts to use artificial sonar to help steer blind people around obstacles. However, someone I spoke with was under the impression that the sonar could also be used to characterize TEXTURES OF OBJECTS, not unlike the bats' ability to characterize targets by their unique spectral pattern. These fascinating topics have not been easy to trace, and I would appreciate any help people can give me tracking down the following lines: 1) Has any work been done since 1990 on the idea of echo "colors" in echolocating bats (or dolphins)? 2) Does anyone know of any good, and recent, papers on the topic of general auditory "colors" or "Gestalt" (including the areas of speech recognition and music-listening)? 3) Are the sonar aids for the blind still being pursued as a viable option, and are there any good references that discuss why/why not? Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Michael Kisley Graduate Group of Neuroscience University of Pennsylvania kisley@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Path: news.cc.uch.gr!news.forth.gr!ecrc!Munich.Germany.EU.net!Germany.EU.net! EU.net! uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for- mail From: gervprado@aol.com (Gervprado) Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics Subject: Re: Help on Periodical signals! Date: 16 Mar 1995 20:45:27 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3kapjn$enl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3k12fe$dib@rc1.vub.ac.be> Reply-To: gervprado@aol.com (Gervprado) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Try making a "spectrogram" of the signal. The spectrogram is a three dimensional representation of the signal - it's axes are time, frequency and amplitude. The easiest way to make one is to take successive FFTs of the signal, say once per second. After you have accumulated N (where N=the desired number of samples) FFTs and computed the magnitude squared of each you will have enough data to make the plot which will be in the form of a three dimensional surface or a color (or gray scale map). The peak of this surface or color map will trace the evolution in time- frequency space of your non-stationary periodic signal. Most good signal analysis programs, like Matlab have canned routines do do this kind of analysis. Good luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------