___________________________________________________________________________ | From : KeelyNet BBS | DataLine : (214) 324-3501 | | Sysop : Jerry W. Decker | Voice : (214) 324-8741 | | Co-Sysop : Ronald Barker | Voice : (214) 242-9346 | | File Name : FF1.ASC | Online Date : 05/22/94 | | Contributed by : Bert Pool | Dir Category : ENERGY | | KeelyNet * PO BOX 1031 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75149 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following is a compilation of messages regarding electrical energy, the TOD circuit, Bert Pool's FIREFLY circuit and other related material. You will also need the image FF1.GIF to see the changes in the circuit. =========================================================================== Message 4577 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 20:44 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Today I found an elegant and simple way to prove my theory on the source of the NEUTRAL SPIKE. I was working in a nursing home installing some simple buzzers on the door alarm system and was testing and tuning the sound level of the audio output (the loudness of the buzz) when I got a shock that nearly took me right off the ladder. Now this buzzer is powered by 24V AC and you can't get a shock out of 24VAC but when you consider the SPIKE PHENONENON it is awsome. This buzzer is made by EDWARDS, called a LUNGEN BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ. I suggest all that are interested in duplicating the following experiment, go to your local electrical supply house and get this particular model for it has features that are ideal for the purpose of producing NEUTRAL SPIKES. This buzzer is constructed so as both sides of the 24V AC is floating (insulated) with the solid steel (not laminated) core is grounded to the frame or metal case. The solid steel core is of very mild steel which agravates the production of spike potential. Remember I said you need to think backwards? Yes we want a magnetic core which has the most horible spike producing characteristics. If there is an engineer out there who could suggest an ideal material for this application, by all means speak up for I would love input and participation in this project. I brought home a new buzzer and hooked it up to a standard 24V AC step-down transformer and attached my multimeter (Fluke 87)meter with one lead (black ground) to the case of the buzzer and used the red lead to test the potential on the two buzzer terminals. With 24V AC running the buzzer I measured over 2000V coming out of the iron core of the buzzer. What is interesting is the fact that with the adjusting screw I could vary the voltage output by changing the frequency of the buzzer contacts. Now to build a similar device that will enable me to explore a possible resonant region that may exist related to this phenomenon. I am willing to bet that there will prove to be a definite relationship to inductance/impedance of the coil and stray capacitance that may be involved in the simple circuit. Therefore I will be looking for a point of resonance that will maximize the spike output. Before the TESLA COIL builders out there jump in and say it is a simple voltage multiplying based on impedance ratio, well I only have one coil (no secondary). Joel, put that in your pipe and smoke it a while and see if you can see a solution other than magnetic constricturing as you described earlier in one of you messages. If a saturating magnetic flux is driving electrons directly out of the iron atoms then visualize the potential here since this whole planet is practically iron. NORM =========================================================================== Message 4583 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 23:07 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Negative Spike Page 1 Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, Count on me for confirmation of this. About the same time that I uploaded COILBAK, I also uploaded COILUNIT, which is a 12VDC relay, energized through its normally closed contacts, so that it would open/close continuously at very close to its aggregate resonance, just like the old vibrators that they used in car radios to produce AC for the vacuum tube radios. They never lasted too long as they would beat themselves to death, but they usually outlasted the warranty. Anyway, COILUNIT produces those same high negative spikes, and when connected to a rechargable battery, once the battery accepts the spikes, the terminal voltage stops falling, and the voltage stabilizes. This is how the Dutch inventor got so many miles on his electric motorcycle. Anyway, it is subject to mechanical time delays, so it is not an above-unity device, which leads to the "cranky" semiconductors that Woody spoke of, and which COILBAK depends upon. The spikes are exactly as you describe. Thanks again, my friend. Joel =========================================================================== Message 4585 DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 07:55 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Negative Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" To all out there who may want to experiment with the generation of neutral spike energy,please be advised that to do so you must "float the ground" or neutral to get a handle on the spikes coming out of the iron. In electrical circles this is a "NO NO" because electrical engineers consider spikes as a nussiance and bothersome output that they try to totally supressbecause of it's destructive properties. Since the voltages go off the scaleand sometimes have current magnitudes that they elect not to deal with they simply install varistors and such devices to effectively tahe this un-wanted energy to earth ground. Our objective is to conserve all this energy and put it to some use. My asvice is just be careful when dealing with any electricaldevice on which you are working that has a floating neutral or earth ground. Norm =========================================================================== Message 4588 DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 09:30 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Norm, your shocking experience with the 24 volt door buzzer brings a whole new perspective to the expression "gonna ring your chimes"! One suggestion: to increase the output of the old ignition coils, a condenser was used in conjunction with the coil - one of the few cases where a capacitor was used NOT to reduce an inductive spike. Try using a small capacitor in different configurations with your coil. You might find that working together, the electrons pulled from the dielectric and the electrons pulled from the iron might "aid" one another. I've never even seen it proved that the "electrons" pulled from the dielectric in a capacitor are identical to the ones released in your iron core - they might in reality appear similar but in truth be different particles or forces. The capacitor electrons might, for example, be "hot" current, and the spike current "cold". I don't have a test which would differentiate the two, if they do in fact exist. Just a musing. >> Bert =========================================================================== Message 4591 DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 10:24 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- Page 2 To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm! We too use the Edwards buzzers and I have shocked the pee out of meself with one when it was powered....however, ours uses 110VAC but is an Edwards....they too are tunable with a vibrating plate that sits over a solenoid winding....the plate is "balanced" over this flat solenoid post which is surrounded by the coil driven by the VAC... As the plate is jerked back and forth in the varying flux, it slaps against the post, producing the sound....not only frequency but also volume can be adjusted by "tensioning" the plate against the post....kind of like a fixed Chladni waveplate... I must say, I never measured the voltage on ours, just assumed it to be a trickle of the 110VAC...but now that you mention it, I will check it out tonite... I kind of think it is a series of spikes, at the same frequency as the plate is vibrating (you know, come to think of it, on ours you don't really change the frequency all that much, it is more like a 1/2 tone, i.e. flat or sharp) but you CAN make it louder or softer... So, the frequency does not change so much as the INTENSITY of the slap...now if the plate is magnetically fluxed up (no pun intended), and it slaps the solenoid, possibly the bucking magnetic fields create this inductive spike....dammit, now I HAVE to look into this... Kind of sounds like the very oldstyle multivibrators that Joel mentioned...they needed them to get the 300VDC to run the vacuum tubes in car radios (well, some ran at 150) and you needed plate voltages along with heater voltages....I think vacuum tubes are sssoooo interesting and we missed out on much when transistors took over. So, can we add another winding to tap off this? Or use a capacitor and some diodes to build up a charge?? Or is there any possible gain associated with this. Right now, I can't see how that would be, despite the interesting properties of iron, so a test is definitely in order, preferably by several people for several viewpoints....gee thanks Norm!......>>> Jerry =========================================================================== Message 4594 DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 10:38 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert and Norm! You know, Bob Aldrichs comments about "liquid electricity" might be a way to store up energy beyond what is currently accepted...I think he said in one of the messages what was being used to hold this energy that could be "sloshed around" like fluid when the device/metal/material was almost full...very bizarre but I think there is more to it than we currently understand....and it will be with some combination of elements that were all available in the late 1900's, so it won't be something spooky like the more hard to find metals...>>> Geez, perhaps a means of holding this high voltage multi-vibrator generator spikes might be to try this liquid electricity thing...will look up the messages to see what kind of metal was used...>>> Jerry =========================================================================== Message 4602 DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 19:37 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry: Have you ever looked at a Model T Ford ignition vibrator transformer???? It is built very much like the buzzer except the contacts Page 3 are at the center of the iron core of the coil with everything contained in a little oak wood box. I have one in the shop and will experiment with it also. This thing puts out a real big spark on a continous baseswith the rotor button sending the spark to the right cylinder. Timing was a little rough but hell the model T engine seldom ever ran over a thousond RPM. I will play games with this buzzerand try a few caps of different values to determine if the output will improve. Yes I have already planned a high voltage diode pick-off of the high voltage to a capacitor storage bank to be used in a different stage. I'll let the buzzer device be the driver to deliver the HV pulses to the cap storage. I'm curious as to how much charge we can accumulate and how fast a large cap will fill up. In a paper I put in the Vangard packet awile back, GE had laid out a method of determining the current output of high voltage devices by timing the charge rate into a known capacitance. I guess this is the only way since we don't have any kind of high voltage current meters. Bert and I discussed how to hook this beast up to my scope (very carefully) and concluded that a voltage divider was the best approach. I hope you have success with your 110V buzzer at work. I have to admit that I have not worked with line voltage buzzers before. Do you really think that Joel's ORGONE ACCUMULATOR has any chance of levitation or getting high if he uses poppy seeds. He should try a little "WEED" to see if it would lift off. Norm =========================================================================== Message 4609 DATE/TIME: 01/28/94 08:24 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry: I failed to tell you yesterday that Bert and I had a long conversation about the buzzer device and had agreed that the adjustment screw allowed you to adjust the dwell of the device the same as adjusting the breajer point jap in a conventional igniyion system. The armature,spring and other mass associated with the moving contact tend to remain at the (JOEL) mass aggregate resonance, so frequency is shifted only very slightly when the point gap is adjusted. I am going to use my strobe light to study the dynamics of the armature and the gap dwell relationship. Heck, I already have all the parts assembled to build a rather large "buzzer". The coil will be 4" in diameter,5" long with a solid soft steel core. If scale means anything in this case I should be able to get about 10KV out to my cap storage. We'll see. Norm =========================================================================== Message 4624 DATE/TIME: 01/28/94 23:43 From : BILL BEATY To : ALL Subject: 9-volt electrostatics Folder : A, "Public Mail" I acquired a big box of "dead" alkaline 9v batteries. Wanting to prove to myself (and to possibly use it for demonstrations) the idea that "static electricity" is simply voltage, I connected the batteries in series by plugging them into each other skewed, built up quite a large (and dangerous) battery bank, then used the resulting two lead wires at 1500Volts to deflect a little scrap of charged scotch tape. It works! I was also able to charge up coins sitting on insulators, then detect the charge with an FET electroscope. Then I discovered carbon arcs with old battery carbon rods, and wasted hours burning patterns into a two-by-four. . For anyone who doesn't know: 9volt batteries can be clipped in series by sticking them into each other's clips offset and building up long Page 4 "bandoliers" of them. I got mine from a friend who works in a large theatrical company, they go through hundreds for their portable FM microphones, and discard them when the voltage falls to 8.5v or 8.0. These alkalines still pack about an ampere when shorted. If you can collect enough, you end up with a portable power source of thousands of volts at hundreds of mA, not connected to house current. I may eventually become famous for being killed by a 9v battery. (actually, several!) . (I think the NEUMAN machine automobile demo used this trick, a photo of the car's trunk looked like it carried several cubic feet of series 9V cells. Donated by the manufacturer fortunately) =========================================================================== Message 4633 DATE/TIME: 01/29/94 16:24 From : TERRY BASTIAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" Thanks for the information.......The man that I have found a thread of info on is named Richard Diggs...and did something similar to what you described....I did a computer search at the Patent Office on him and under the name he had many irrigation devices and such ..... What I have is a Patent abstract on the idea but alas I didnt find the patent...If your friend recognises this name perhaps he might remember more ?????? Who knows but thanks for the info anyhow....... Terry =========================================================================== Message 4648 DATE/TIME: 01/30/94 10:44 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) TOD Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! Just got a call regarding the TOD circuit. It was taken over to an electronic engineer who has vast experience with power measurements. Hhe hooked the TOD circuit up to a scope and measured it for about 30 minutes. During and after this, he is quite bewildered as the circuit definitely is outputting more power than it is taking to run it. It is not feeding itself, but seems to be generating overunity just as specified in the TOD.ASC file written by Lee. The MOSFET parameters were looked up to see if there were anything unusual in them and the engineer said they had an internal diode (for clamping, I think he said), the point being that this seems to snap or prevent any kind of backflow of energy, thus lending a cumulative buildup of energy from the spikes..... So, get on it...I know it only came on last night, but get it OUT and let's get crackin'..... >>> Jerry ...............download TOD.ZIP, or TOD.ASC & TOD.GIF..... =========================================================================== Message 4657 DATE/TIME: 01/30/94 17:05 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Tod Circuit Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha" Jerry, I just completed the TOD circuit and have it running but I don't have a role of #12 solid copper wire 500' long. I'll get a new roll of wire tomorrow. Also I need a range of capacitors to vary the timing of the 555. In the schematics he specified from .1-.68 uf, so I'll get these tomorrow. I pig-tailed out all leads so as to be able to change caps etc. The Bourne precision pots worked great for I can nail exact resistance values or change all 6 at will. The circuit is running at present a little Page 5 below unity but I only have a Tesla coil secondary at present to use as a collector. The wire length is insufficient and I need to change the pulse width and frequency, so a change of capacitance is in order. Just wanted to let you guys know that I'm not sitting on my thumbs. HA! HA! Norm =========================================================================== Message 4660 DATE/TIME: 01/30/94 17:44 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : TERRY BASTIAN Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Terry, Richard Diggs is the man. My friend recalls that much. However what town in Mississippi he doesn't recall. I suggest looking up the address off some of his other patents and dig him up and talk to him! My friend did speak to him about it but nothing ever came of it. He doesn't have the phone number and anyway that was years ago. ...Bob =========================================================================== Message 4663 DATE/TIME: 01/30/94 17:51 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) 3.3 Mhz Battery Charger Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, I did call and talked to the stock department of J.C. Whitney, and they were mystified as to why the 3.3 mhz batt charger wasn't in the catalog, but he still had the stock number and I ordered a solar powered charger that said it put a 3 to 4 mhz signal on the battery, if I remember right. So it will be coming soon, we'll see what this is all about. But I really wanted one that I could use in my shop, you know, charge car batteries right now not over a period of two months! Is the one you are familiar with a wall powered model? As to Psychomaneum, I believe the principle works, because my own father in law saw my mother (deceased) in a reflection off a livingroom window while watching TV. As to whether it should cancel, well, she's dead, isn't she? (bad joke). As to liquid electricity, well, think about this, if matter is nothing but compacted energy, it stands to reason that there would be an easy way to release some of that energy. Free Energy. you just have to buy the matter. (coal, dirt, copper wire, whatever) Wouldn't it be a hoot if electricity is just that? rarefied matter? And that can be condensed. By the way, the electrode used for the center conductor of the "capacitor" was silver, like silver leaves, suspended in the chamber. This is all I could get my friend's failing memory to dredge up. By the way, do you know of anyone who's ever done the orgone cloud buster? .............Bob ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ» ÄÄÄĶ The SURVIVAL CLUB BBS ÇÄÄÄÄ ÄÄÄĶ In Los Angeles: 213-663-1301 ÇÄÄÄÄ ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍͼ =========================================================================== Message 4666 DATE/TIME: 01/30/94 18:01 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Tod Circuit Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha" Hi Norm! Great! Will be nice to see some verification on this, especially the "improved" versions that actually can power something or recharge it....in the original the duty cycle from the 555 was something like Page 6 5:95...the 5 being the charge time (for the collector) and the 95 being for the dissipator....kind of like poking holes in a water hose that is under pressure....the more holes, the faster that pressure can achieve unity with the locale....I believe he does mention the relationship being something like 10 times faster on the uptake...>>> Jerry =========================================================================== Message 4682 DATE/TIME: 02/01/94 00:06 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm! your buzzer may in fact have two coils. If the core is a single solid steel part that is configured as a loop or if it and associated buzzer flapper and case connect to form a loop or continuous circuit then you have a shorted turn effect. This could give you a turns ratio multiplication with the shorted turn acting as a primary from the induced voltage from the magnetic field collapse. It could be acting as an autotransformer. Think about your variac transformer. Only one coil right? Of course having a good conductive, solid core like your buzzer has is going to maximize eddy current effects also. For you to get a shock out of the isolated case of the buzzer under this scenario, the 24v winding would have to be acting as the secondary and then discharging into the case at some breakdown voltage. I'm just offering this as a suggested possible explanation, so don't think I'm trying to debunk your idea. Thats the last thing I would want to do because so often times it happens that someone will have a novel idea that some supposed 'expert' will dismiss after only a superficial examination of the phenomena and without a complete understanding of the situation. Where are you tapping the buzzer to get your voltage readings, and referenced to what? Case to ground? Have you determined the frequency of the high voltage? What does the waveform look like, sinusoidal or impulsed? =========================================================================== Message 4689 DATE/TIME: 02/01/94 09:54 From : BERT POOL To : ALL Subject: Painful lessons Folder : A, "Public Mail" For anyone out there building the TOD test device, a word of caution: the power MOSFET's Q2 and Q3 can go ballistic if you pull one of the MOSFET's back stream. They will instantly self-destruct due to current saturation. I was going to "swap" Q1 and Q2. I pulled Q1 and reached over to pull Q2. In the 2 seconds it took me to set down Q1 and grab Q2, Q2 had reached an estimated temperature of +400 degrees F. and blistered a couple of fingers. It then proceeded to vaporize and stink up Norm's place. Absolutely, positively, remove ALL power before working on these little guys or you won't be able to pick your nose for a week! >> bert =========================================================================== Message 4692 DATE/TIME: 02/01/94 13:23 From : JOHN DRAPER -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Norm, from your descriptions, haven't you noticed the similarities to the Hendershot device? I went back to a schecmatic and write up of the Hendershot device, and it shows a door bell buzzer in the circuit. I am begining to beleive that the basket weave coils and the special capacitors were used for resonance. ...... John D Page 7 =========================================================================== Message 4701 DATE/TIME: 02/01/94 18:49 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN DRAPER Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" John: Yes the Hendershot device is involved in this process. I have a complete report on the Hendershot and you are correct about the buzzer theory. I suspect that Joe Neumans big coil works very similar to what we are theorizing. Thanks for the feed-back, we are working on the TOD Circuit at the moment and will get back to the Neutral Spike device as soon as we can get some data to verify Lee's over-unity claims for his circuit. If it can't be replicated by other researchers then it is considered invalid. Thanks, Norm =========================================================================== Message 4704 DATE/TIME: 02/01/94 21:10 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : LEE TRIPPETT Subject: Switching Circuit Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Lee! I read your report and tried to do some analysis of your circuit. I have some observations and some questions. First the observations: You mentioned that the current flow reverses in loop Q3 when the device is operated with the 'wire' collector. This seems to indicate that the node at Q2 source is going negative, and this is exactly what would be expected when rapidly switching an inductive load, which is what your long wire 'collector' represents. When the current reverses through Q3 you will not be able to shut it off untill the reverse voltage falls below the forward voltage of the internal diode in Q3. I think its about 1.5-2 volts for this device. The schematic indicates that V2 can be from 9-24volts. In order for the fets to fully swith on the gate to source voltage must be 10 volts. The threshold is 2 volts. So if V1 is 18 volts V2 must be below 16 volts for the device to even begin to turn on. Your circuit topology is unusual for nchannel mosfets in that you are switching an inductive load in the low side of the switch so it is difficult to analyse as the VGS will change as the source voltage changes, hence the on state resistance is unknown. When fully switched on these fets have a resistance of about 0.6 ohms. Now for the Questions: How are you measuring current in the circuits? Do the symbols mA1, mA2, etc. indicate an in series ammeter of some kind? What does the voltage waveform look like at the Q2 source / Q3 drain node look like? Is it does it have a very high dvdt or is it relatively slow or non- transient? What is the manufacturer of your 555 timer? The data sheet I looked at is National Semi., and they spec output switching time at 100 ns. You mentioned a 20 ns switching time. Thanks for taking the time to do this design to verify the Bearden theory and I hope you don't mind my questions. - Gerald O' =========================================================================== Message 4734 DATE/TIME: 02/04/94 14:12 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: TOD Folder : A, "Public Mail" Norm, the IRF240's CAN be used, but you really have to drop the value of the resistor in the gate circuit, as well as drop the value of the drain resistors. Since the 240's are really power monsters, you have to punch them pretty hard to get them to respond fast. I've gotten them to the point that the rise time is less than 1 uSEC, and the inverted wave form Page 8 looks very good. I'm working with the IRF111 as Q1 and I've optimized values for it as well. Call me and we'll set up a time for Saturday. >> Bert =========================================================================== Message 4757 DATE/TIME: 02/05/94 11:05 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN DRAPER Subject: (R) Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" | JAD> I am begining to beleive that the basket weave coils and | JAD> the special capacitors were used for resonance. | | The info I have says it was resonant at 14.7 KHz. | | (1960 * 7.5Hz) I thing I would try Schumann (Sp?) around 7.83Hz... | | =========================================================================== Message 4764 DATE/TIME: 02/06/94 08:19 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: TOD Circuit Folder : Z, "Comments to the Sysop" Jerry: Bert and I have spent a lot of time on this Tod circuit, in fact we worked on it at Bert's place from 1.00PM Sat. till 10:00 PM and came to a conclusion as to what is going on in the circuit. Bert is printing out all the graph plots that we did of many different circuit configurations, Collectors,loads and voltages VS freq's etc. Very interesting, some configurations give gain ratios up to 100:1, others give 50:1 and others give 25:1 output. However, remember what JOEL said, "If you can't hook a plow to it and plant beans then it ain't worth a sh--. Well the out put pulses or of such a nature that they fake the MA or Micro-amp meter into believing that real power exist when this thing cant even light a tennie- tiny LED. The secret is in the wave form. When I flew for the military we had a Cessna A-37 twin engine jet that we called a 6000 # dog whistle for it converted good jet fuel into a high pitch noise. Well this circuit converts a decent shaped current pulse into a funny shaped wave form that can't do any work what-so-ever. We are going to write the whole thing up for you with our graphs etc, to give Lee some feed back. Sorry, NO CIGAR this time. I guess you should keep this to you self till bert and I get the final report assembled. Thanks: Norm =========================================================================== Message 4780 DATE/TIME: 02/07/94 13:42 From : BERT POOL To : ALL Subject: TOD experimental verification Folder : A, "Public Mail" Some notes on our experiments with the TOD device. . Both Norm Wootan and myself (Bert Pool) have each built a prototype TOD device (see file TOD.ZIP). The device is very straight forward in construction. The concept behind this device, basically, is to charge an inductive "collector" with a very short pulse (2 to 5 uSEC) and immediately capture the resulting discharge spike, which theoretically might contain additional available freed electrons from the copper or electrons grabbed from the virtual energy flux to then be used in a load. . Page 9 Together, we spent many hours collecting careful measurements with an impressive array of precision meters and very good oscilloscopes. Norm and I both have excellent backgrounds in using 'scopes, and we know how they can lie - but we also know that they can reveal hidden truths. . We carefully plotted the measured input current versus output current for pulse width signals ranging from 2 uSECs to 60 uSECs, at repetition rates from a low of 15 pps (pulses per second) to slightly more than 8,000 pps. We used a variety of "collector" coils, ranging from 400 ft of 12 gauge wire to 3300 feet of 22 gauge wire. . At 60 uSECs, 60 hertz, we even "measured" an apparent input/output current gain of over 120 using precision Fluke 4 digit current meters. We both had doubts that any of our meters could accurately measure currents of such short duration, and our oscilloscopes showed us that our concern was well founded. . Although the input pulse in one test was 60 uSEC wide, the output signal delivered to the load consisted of two very narrow pulses corresponding precisely to the "rise" edge and "fall" edge of the 60 uSEC input signal. These two pulses had substantially smaller peak-to-peak voltages than the input, and they were only NANOSECONDS in width - very, very narrow pulses. This meant that the power available to the load was infinitesimally small. Whereas we could take any of the the 2 uSEC to 60 uSEC INPUT pulses and cause a tiny 2.5 volt incandescent bulb to faintly glow (our source battery voltage was 12.56 volts), the nanosecond pulsed output current from the circuit output to the same bulb produced absolutely no output, even at very high repetition rates. If our current meters were telling the truth, that bulb should have been several times brighter on the output side of the circuit, vs the input side. It was not. . The digital meters used in our tests are designed to measure CONTINUOUS DC current, NOT micosecond or nanosecond pulsed direct current. The only equipment available to the general experimenter which can accurately measure such fast events is a good oscilloscope. Not one of our meters was able to accurately read the current in either the input or output circuits because the signals were so very short and the mark/space ratio so small. . Conclusions: . 1) The TOD device fails to exhibit an output that is even near UNITY operation, much less over-unity. . 2) Existing current meters CANNOT accurately measure either input or output current of these small pulses. DC current meters are designed to measure continuous current, AC meters are designed to measure sinusoidal waveforms - the TOD input and output signals exhibit neither of these characteristics. The inability of these meters to measure current pulses reliably results in false current readings. . 3) Careful oscillograph viewings of the input and output signals do not support an over-unity claim . . Recommendations: . 1) To prevent erroneous readings, researchers should be cautioned against trying to measure pulsed signal currents with meters designed for continuous current or for sinusoidal AC current. . Page 10 2) In the future, any device which claims over-unity operation should be able to operate a real-world load. It is suggested that this load be a precision carbon resistor, and that the load resistor be placed in a water-bath calorimeter and power calculated from temperature rise in the load. (see 3 below), not from voltage/current readings. . A precision carbon resistor is a very stable and exact load whose operating characteristics stay constant, even under variable current conditions. The resistor can have its wires insulated, and then be placed in an exact volume of water in a Dewar flask (thermos bottle). Thermocouples can be used to measure the degree of heating of the water that is caused by current being dissipated as heat within the load. This is a very reliable, universally accepted method of measuring power being delivered to a load. The resistor and water do not care whether the power is AC, DC, or pulsed - the measurements will reliably tell you how much useable power is being delivered to the load. Period. . Incandescent lamps present a pretty good adhoc test load as well - the filament, because of its thermal mass, will tend to average the effects of short duration pulses, and the light output can be measured and calibrated using optical sensors such as photocells or phototransistors. . 3) We do not want to throw a "wet blanket" on the zpe energy scene. But we have to encourage experimenters to try and standardize to a measurement method that is accurate and reasonably easy (and cheap) to make. A calorimetric method fits both of these requirements. We build new energy devices every day ourselves, and we have found out the hard way just how tricky accurate power measurements can be when using meters and 'scopes. ESPECIALLY when working with micro or nano second pulses! . ************************************************************************** Norm and I will place on KeelyNet sometime in the next several days plans for building a shade-tree calorimeter which any serious experimenter can put together for less than $50 worth of kitchen utensils and Radio Shack goodies, many of which you probably already have lying around or can steal from your kid's lunch box. If you measure over-unity with this baby, then you've something to get excited about! In the future, this will be our standard of power measurement for any electrical device claiming over- unity. Not volts. Not amps. Not millivolt-microamps. Just plain old simple, reliable, unequivocal calories. ************************************************************************** We'll include charts for converting calories to more familiar measurement units - heck we might even get fancy and throw in some metric unit conversions - milli foot newt futons, or some such thing! >> Bert & Norm =========================================================================== Message 4865 DATE/TIME: 02/11/94 01:26 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Fire Fly 3 Folder : A, "Public Mail" This is in reference to the TOD.ZIP circuit from Lee Trippett! . Don't you just hate to dial into Keely Net and find that the board has been Page 11 dead and no one's posted anything? Well, a lot's been going on, and those of us who've been iced in here in Dallas have put the unexpected days off to good use. Read and enjoy. Better yet, you'd best warm up your soldering iron! . 1) an unexpected interruption from Lee Trippett . A few days ago Lee Trippett sent us a diagram for a simple pulse circuit which was supposed to dump a pulse of current into a coil and then connect a load to the isolated coil (collector) to extract any over-unity power, ala Tom Bearden - minus the degenerate power conductor. Lee had gotten some incredible meter readings which showed very high input-to-output power ratios. A couple of us here in Dallas immediately stopped whatever experiments we had in progress and built a couple of these devices. Independent confirmation found the current readings were erroneous due to the fact that the circuit had the experimenter try to measure micro to nano second wide pulses with current meters designed to measure steady-state d.c. Fast oscilloscopes showed no real power gain. I dismissed the circuit as an excellent but faulty try, and then I went back to my work. . 2) nose to the grind wheel . As many of you who follow the postings on this net know, I proposed an experiment several days ago and invited comments: if you connect a battery to a very long wire for 1 uSEC then disconnect it, and you have an LED which is 4 uSECs away (several thousand feet of wire), will the LED light up? Don't be too quick to answer, for by the time the voltage potential gets to the LED, the BATTERY WILL HAVE BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE CIRCUIT FOR OVER 3 MICROSECONDS! Can an LED light up even when there is no longer a battery supplying potential in the circuit? That's what I was trying to prove. What is nice is that it is a yes or no problem. You either have light, or you don't. The purpose of the experiment is to determine whether a conductor can be potentialized and power withdrawn without running down the battery. . 3) The ghost of TOD returns . The lesson learned from Trippett's attempt to measure pulses with d.c. meters was still very fresh in my mind. I needed to measure current accurately in MY circuit, so I set up my meter in the d.c. power supply lead to my circuit, not in any area where pulses were involved. Just to make sure stray pulses from my oscillator (NE-555, the same as Lee's) didn't get back to the meter through the power buss, I added several 0.01 ufd spike suppressor capacitors to the power leads on the chips, and threw in an extra 1,000 ufd across the main buss to really filter the d.c. back to the meter. I damn sure was not going to have any a.c. crap screwing up my current measurements! My 'scope showed the prettiest 11.65 volt pure d.c. input power anyone could ask for. . 4) Wiring my test experiment - LOTS of wire! . In my test I originally was going to use two 5,000 foot 18 gauge wires to perform my LED test. Norman Wootan found several thousand feet of RG-5x coaxial cable, which is much easier to use. The circuit was very simple: a 555 oscillator provided pulses adjustable from 1 uSEC to 20 uSEC wide at a repetition rate from a few hundred to several thousand pulses per second. The 555 puts out a negative going pulse, and I wanted positive pulses, so I fed tha 555's output into a CMOS CD-4001 NOR gate wired to act as an inverter to give me positive going pulses. The CD-4001 chip is nice for this work, because it can supply current directly to an LED without needing Page 12 any current limiting resistors. I checked the output of the 4001 and had very, very nice 1 to 20 uSEC pulses. Total circuit d.c. current, with no LED was 7.8 milliamps. Plugging in the LED directly to the 4001 output caused the current to rise to 8.5 milliamps, and the LED glowed nicely. I removed the LED and connected the end of a 4,300 foot length of coax to the output of the 4001. My scope showed an expected drop in pulse amplitude and an increase in current to 9.5 milliamps. Expected, because I had measured the capacitance of the coax and found that between the inner conductor and the outer shielded jacket the coax measured out at 0.047 ufd. This capacitance attenuated my pulse some, and loaded the circuit, but not to an untoward degree. I measured the total circuit current - total current going into the 555, the 4001, and the coax - and with NO LED load yet. Current was 9.5 milliamps. I then connected the LED to the far end of the coax. . 5) The moment of truth . I had a 35 mhz dual trace triggered scope connected to each end of the coax. I saw the 4001 put a 1 uSEC pulse of d.c. on the near-end of the coax. Three uSECs later the pulse reached the LED at the other end of the coax. THE LED LIT UP. EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD PLAINLY SEE ON THE SCOPE THAT THE DRIVING POTENTIAL HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE COAX SEVERAL MICROSECONDS PREVIOUSLY. EXPERIMENT COMPLETE! . Wasn't that exciting!? Well, maybe some of you aren't real exciteable. I know I didn't pee in my pants. Heck, I didn't even dribble. Until I looked at my current meter. You remember that carefully filtered, isolated meter which was measuring the total power to the complete circuit? I knew already that the LED wanted to pull about 0.5 ma current to light up. My unloaded circuit was pulling 9.5 ma. Connecting the LED should have driven the current up to somewhere near 10 ma. Not even .01 of one ma more current flowed into the circuit to light up the LED! So where the hell was the power to light the LED coming from? It sure as heck wasn't coming through my meter from the power supply! I connected and disconnected the LED several times. My meter was registering current accurate to .01 of 1/000 of one ampere. It never moved. It never saw the LED load. OK, I admit that maybe I dribbled a little then! . I called Norm. He went to Radio Shack and got all the required parts. I guided him over the phone on how to connect everything. Only he didn't have any coax! It was all on my bench. But he did have several thousand feet of wire on a spool. What the heck, Lee Trippitt had tried to use a coil - we decided to substitute Norm's spool of wire for the coax. Norm got the same results as I did with the coax! Quickly, I disconnected my coax and connected a spool of 3,300 feet of 22 gauge hookup wire I had left over from my TOD experiment. My LED glowed as brightly as ever. I found pulse width and frequency COULD be changed to force an increase in my current meter. I could set a wider pulse and finally get a response from my current meter when I removed and inserted the LED. However, OPTIMIZING the pulse caused the current in the circuit to DROP when the LED was plugged in! Neither Norm or I could explain what we were seeing. Norm hooked a second LED across the first LED on his device. Now he had TWO glowing LEDS. His meter didn't move a digit. How many LED's can we parallel before we start to use power from the supply? We don't know yet. But two for sure! Continued in next message..................... . -------------------- =========================================================================== Message 4866 DATE/TIME: 02/11/94 01:28 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Page 13 Subject: Fire Fly 3 Folder : A, "Public Mail" Experiment continued............. . As as additional test, I placed the LED near a precision photocell (which had a 2.2 ufd tantalum cap across it to filter pulses into pure d.c.) and measured light output. The photcell showed 0.303 volts. I then re- connected the LED through a potentiometer to the d.c. power supply and set the pot so the LED put out the same light as earlier driven by the coil. I then disconnected/connected the LED and watched my power meter. Yep, it moved 0.5 ma, just as Old Ampere would have expected. I moved the LED back to the coil circuit. I connected/disconnected the LED to the coil again. Nope, still NO additional current flow, but THE LED LIT UP JUST AS BRIGHT! Ah Ha! Maybe the secret was in the pulses! Maybe if I used pulses instead of pure d.c. on the control pot test?! So I changed the pot connection on the LED test driver from the d.c. buss to the 4001 pulsed output and set the pot so the light output was the same as when the LED was connected to the coil. When I unplugged the LED, current dropped 0.5 ma. Ampere was happy. Volta was happy. So, this test showed that it didn't make a damn bit of difference whether the "control" test pot used d.c. or pulsed power! If I connected the LED to continuous d.c. or pulsed d.c. I could see the current to the circuit go UP when I connected the LED. But NOT if I connected the SAME LED to the coil circuit! I had run out of ideas. That LED was going to light up and pull no current from my power supply whether I liked it or not. . 6) You too can amaze your friends! . Jerry is putting the diagram on the net. Maybe five bucks worth of parts. Less if you already built the TOD. A spool of wire. A sensitive photocell is optional (heck, we'll let you borrow one of ours if you want). There are no switching transistors involved. Please build one of these and start with a narrow pulse, about 400 to 600 hertz repetition rate. Slowly increase pulse width until the LED glows. Make note of the current on your current meter. Disconnect your LED. The current meter SHOULD show a significant drop in power when you remove the load. It won't. Plug the LED back in. It lights up. Current should go up. It does not. Nifty, huh? . Norm thinks a resonance effect is taking place within the coil/coax. I agree. Perhaps the coil or coax IS forming a tuned circuit, and the LED is only an insignificant part of the circuit current....BUT that LED is in SERIES with the coil! Open the LED and you open the coil - end of tuned circuit - if the measured current is due to a tuned circuit, opening the circuit should stop the resonance and affect the current anyway. This is not observed to happen. Build this critter and see if you can expand the observed results. . P.S., Norm has been able to coax the LEDs to light with a TOTAL circuit current of 2.5 ma! That's combined power to the LED's, and both chips. I can't get below 7.5 ma. He's using a much different coil than I. I'd be much interested in hearing what results you get. >> Bert -------------------- =========================================================================== Message 4879 DATE/TIME: 02/12/94 03:52 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: LED coil Folder : A, "Public Mail" Page 14 I was going to drop this off as a note about the TOD circuit, but I read messages first, and WOW. I have to try it. We have 500' spools of twisted pair at work, and maybe a big spool of microphone coax. If I had done this experiment, I would have used a commercial signal generator, and would totally have missed the strangeness in the current draw of the generator's power supply. REAL scientists would use expensive store-bought equipment rather than 555's, and so would be unable to notice (or even measure) important data. . One thing I must ask: is your mA meter before or after the filter capacitors in the supply? If the meter inserted BETWEEN the capacitors and your circuit, then there is AC current spikes going through the meter and maybe screwing things up. If your filter capacitors are mounted on your breadboard itself, and if the meter is inserted in series with one lead coming from the separate power supply, then everything should be OK. You probably are aware that capacitors smooth out the DC voltage by allowing your circuit to draw big glitches of current from the capacitors (and so THROUGH the wires between the capacitors and your circuit) . Oh, on the TOD circuit. It looks like both Q2 and Q3 could be on at the same time at one edge of the square wave, thus shorting the power supply directly to the load. This could be where the tiny pulses of current are coming from. The cure would be to build some kind of logic circuit to generate a very fast sequence where the transistors turn on and off alternately, but with an adjustable deadzone between their signals to guarantee that both are off for a short time. . Also in TOD, if a current starts going in the collector coil and then you turn Q2 off, the current WILL keep going because of inductive kick, and will blow a path through the VFETs for an instant. You might want to connect a high speed power diode backwards across the collector coil. Then again, if there are weird thing going on in the circuit, adding this diode might just make the circuit behave "normally" and kill the interesting stuff. =========================================================================== Message 4882 DATE/TIME: 02/12/94 04:00 From : BILL BEATY -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: 90deg resonance Folder : A, "Public Mail" See if you have heard this acoustic idea before: I was imagining atoms in ether-flow terms, and being aware that sound vibrations are supposed to affect this process, wondered what would happen if you had not one but TWO motions going on inside a solid. IF you took a block of iron and blasted sound waves at one end, you would set up a resonance (depending on block size) where the atoms inside the center of the block were swerving violently back and forth. NOW, if you did the same on another face of the block, but had the driving wave 90 degrees out of phase, the overlap of the two waves within the block would result in the atoms being forced to move all together in tiny circles, rather than just back and forth. Normal physics wouldn't predict that anything weird would happen if this experiment were performed, at least as long as the frequencies used were low, not gigahertz or any- thing. What would you think would happen? Would the spiral effects near the actual atoms be forced to align because of the circular sloshing forces? What happens when large amounts of atoms all spin as one? Does the iron block become a gyroscope, a psionic beam source, or does it just get slightly warm? . This might be a job for those large-volume piezo transducers you had found Page 15 in one of your surplus sources. A contact transducer would be better than anything else for getting large wattages of sound into a solid object. I'm interested in trying this out. =========================================================================== Message 4934 DATE/TIME: 02/14/94 16:44 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) LED coil Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bill, my filters are on the circuit board, so any noise has to get past them to get to the meter, which IS in the power lead to the board. I really don't see any garbage getting back to the meter - it is measuring steady d.c. current. Your comments on Q2 and Q3 not having any overlap in timing is absolutely correct - the circuit as is does not have any that I measured. And, it would be quite difficult to add an additional circuit between them to insert a few nanoseconds delay between them (at least I think it would be difficult...if you want to, please do so and send me a copy of your change - I'd like to try it.). >> Bert =========================================================================== Message 4975 DATE/TIME: 02/17/94 16:16 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Cheap Spikes Folder : A, "Public Mail" To SEE the spike energy of an inductive field collapse, at MANY TIMES the input voltage, assuming that you are like me and don't have a 'scope handy, do the following: Run down to Radio Shack, and pick up a relay, their P/N 275-206, a couple of their 29 cent 9volt batteries, and a NE-2 neon lamp. Jumper pins 1 and 4 together. Jumper pins 9 and 13 together. Put the NE-2 across pins 13 and 14, the coil leads. Put the batteries together so you have 18volts output. Put the + lead on pin 12, and the minus lead on pin 14. As the relay self-oscillates, the NE-2 will light, apparently constantly, but actually at the spike rate. Since the voltage applied (18vdc) is well below the level needed to illuminate the neon, you are seeing the high negative spikes at work. If you still don't believe it, lick your finger and put it across pins 13 and 14, provided that you aren't wearing a pacemaker! Now, CAPTURING that energy and using it to self- energize something is the prize! CUL Joel =========================================================================== Message 4987 DATE/TIME: 02/18/94 23:32 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: More Cheap Spikes Folder : A, "Public Mail" In an earlier message, I described how to create large spikes which could be seen as they ionize a plasma tube. If anyone built this device, you may want to go on to the next step, which is to connect a second NE-2 from the relay's pins 1 to pin 14, the ground. You will find an EQUAL AMPLITUDE spike coming from the contacts, which is occurring at opposite times as the inductive kick. With this, it should be possible to energize a xfmr primary with a center tap on pin 14, and the inputs to pins 1 and 13, and have a complete circuit. This is both the original kick, as well as the current-free potential which Bearden and others have described. Enjoy. Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------------- KeelyNet (214) 324-3501 is a FREE Alternative Sciences BBS Your file contributions and financial support are much appreciated! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 16