______________________________________________________________________________ | File Name : CYCLTIME.ASC | Online Date : 09/09/95 | | Contributed by : InterNet | Dir Category : ENERGY | | From : KeelyNet BBS | DataLine : (214) 324-3501 | | KeelyNet * PO BOX 870716 * Mesquite, Texas * USA * 75187 | | A FREE Alternative Sciences BBS sponsored by Vanguard Sciences | | InterNet email keelynet@ix.netcom.com (Jerry Decker) | | Files also available at Bill Beaty's http://www.eskimo.com/~billb | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| The following is a compilation of 3 files from the alt.sci.physics.new- theories USENET. It all started with the suggestion that time might be analog and the Niels Bohr Institute response by Viggo Simonsen followed about one month later. They all deal with the possibility that time is a repeating wave and possibly speeding up as it advances. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: keelynet@ix.netcom.com (Jerry Decker) Subject: Re: Digital universe To: colin@colinmc.demon.co.uk You wrote: > > > Is it possible that the universe is digital? If it were analog would we not spend forever at smaller and smaller increments of the first second of the big bang e.g. going from one second - milliseconds - microseconds - nanosecond - picoseconds. > > If you can understand what I am saying from that braintwister then your views would be accepted. > >-- >col. > >colin@colinmc.demon.co.uk *** To those who read this and feel the need to flame....resist. *** It is posted in response to Colin's idea and I will not respond *** to anyone who will not consider what is being hypothetically *** stated. There are many points and experiments which have not been *** included in this response. Thank you....>>> Jerry/Sysop/KeelyNet Hi Colin! There is a fellow named Terence McKenna who has evolved a theory that time speeds up the closer we get to the year 2012. He has a computer program and a book which helps to understand his theories. He bases it on the Mayan calendar and some other items relating to sacred geometry as well as chaos theories. Quite fascinating material overall despite the new age connotations. McKenna claims time is a wave that consists of 'structure-breaking' and 'symmetry-making' periods. 'Structure-breaking' is when patterns are unstable and subject to collapse from certain stimuli. 'Symmetry-making' refers to periods where new patterns are formed and locked into reality. We at KeelyNet have found this work to be coincidental with our radionics researcher and friend, Peter Kelly. Pete has come up with a theory he calls 'energy as information.' Matter is formed according to a signature (many interrelated frequencies) which are held in an electrical form. Magnetism is what holds the matter in a stable form. So, to change the properties of matter, you must reduce the magnetic field, alter the electrical signature to your will, then restore the magnetic field. The sustained new pattern will transmute the matter. The way this correlates with McKenna is that the Earth has a waning and waxing magnetic field which is partially recharged by the magnetosphere of the Sun. So, over time, the earth and all on it are subjected to this magnetic weakening to allow 'structure-breaking' when the electrical signature is most subject to change. This is the time when radical changes appear in our society, wars are waged, territories change, new discoveries are made, etc.... As the earth's magnetic field increases in strength, the sustained patterns will become locked in and remain in control ('symmetry-making') until the electrical signature is again allowed to change from a reduction in magnetic force. During this time, few new ideas surface and conditions akin to those of the 'Dark Ages' are in control. It would therefore seem desirable to produce the best possible conditions before the increase in magnetic field strength. This all ties in with your idea of time possibly being an analog wave. McKenna says the same wave is repeated OVER and OVER as we draw ever closer to this 'strange attractor' which is pulling us all toward the year 2012 (as per the Mayans and McKenna's calculations). As the time waves repeat themselves, they get smaller and smaller, hence your idea that they would reproduce in ever smaller increments. McKenna says that by studying the WAVE itself, we can determine WHEN these points will appear to take advantage of them in everyday life when conditions are subject to building or destroying. Intriguing concept, eh? Thank you for the interesting thought....if you wish, we have 3 web sites, best of which is http://www.eskimo.com/~billb Bill runs an excellent alternative science web page and lists many of the KeelyNet files under weird science. You can also call the original Dallas board at (214) 324-3501 when I get the hard drive repaired. All access and downloads are free as we exist to exchange information and promote alternative thinking and experiments. >>> Jerry W. Decker/Sysop/KeelyNet - Dallas - BBS (214) 324-3501 Voice (214) 324-8741 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Viggo Simonsen Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories Subject: Cyclic Time Physics Date: 7 Sep 1995 14:59:26 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft in Garching CYCLIC TIME PHYSICS by Viggo Simonsen, Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen How would physics look like if Time was cyclic, i.e. if all spacetime events were to repeat identically an infinite number of times? In 1949 Kurt Godel came up with a solution to Einsteins field equation with a metric that implied existance of closed timelike curves. His as well as others' solutions have been rejected on the basis of physical absurdities, such as the posibility of traveling back in the past and killing your mother before she gave birth to you. This clearly violates causality, since the very cause for one's birth is now removed. My feeling however from discussions and the literature that I have come across, is that the issue and implications of cyclic time have not been properly understood. Cyclic time as envisaged by the ancient hindus and greeks or even by a modern philosopher as Nietzshe meant closure of Time itself and thus a recurrence of all events in history, not local timeloops that would allow for individual timetravels. Furthermore the period of the timecycle was thousands of years, so no human being could possibly meet his mother before he was born. Closed timelike paths (CTP) in General Relativity (GR) are generally considered to be pathalogical because they imply logical absurdities of the kind mentioned above. Clearly such possibilities are unacceptable, and in fact the whole debate of CTP and causality violation is more of a philosophical than of a physical interest. The problem doesn't become less confusing by the fact that the very nature of time is so poorly understood and is treated ambigouisly in the literature. On the one hand, time in GR is still the real number "t", appearing in all the dynamic equations, and this mathematical definition of time serves excellently on a locally flat spacetime, where time can be considered as linear and uniform. GR is a local theory with no a priori constraints on the global topology, but it is absolutely unclear how "t" should be interpreted with a global topology that admits CTP. What does it mean that a traveller moving on a non-geodesic path enters his own past? What does it mean to say that t has assumed its original value? Mathematically it is clear, but physically it is a pretty confusing situation. If I go back into the past once, I will be doomed to do it for eternity, because by definition the past is closed, that is, no event that has already taken place can be changed - the past is fixed once and for all. And thus I will inevitably come back to the time when I made the timetravel before and do it again and again, ad infinitum - simply because all events up until and including my departure are fixed. But by the same token my future will thus be closed, or rather my history becomes perfectly cyclic. The ambiguity of time in physics comes about, because we use it as a kinematic parameter as well as a label for "historical" events. If the kinematic time along a worldline due to some odd topology happens to repeat we infer that the travelling observer is actually coming back to a set of past events. And because we somehow still attribute a free will and an open future to the traveller, we allow him to alter the past. It is very tempting to apply GR on Cosmology, but I am afraid it allows for completely nonsensical inferences. GR is a local theory based on the pragmatic time t, that of a clock, so to say. Of course we can always integrate the field equation with some odd metric, but the meaning we attribute to time then, is completely ill-defined. Despite all this, the concept of Cyclic Time in physics, as mentioned above, is not at all meaningless or absurd, as long as it doesn't violate the principle of a closed past. It is perfectly possible, at least from a logical point of view, that all observers move continuously into their own past in the course of time, in which case we could have a closed and finite history that repeated infinitely. Such CTP's obviously have a minimum length, they will have to exceed at least the lifespan of the observer. (How can a CTP possibly exceed de lifespan of the observer? Think about it!) But apart from that there are very few restrictions on them. In principle such a CTP could coincide with the lifespan of the observer and death could act as a wormhole to bring him back to his own birth N years before. His eternity would then be an infinite number of identical lifes, and he would never be able to know whether his life was a particular or an eternal event, or rather he would always experience it as the only one. This is just an extreme gedanken experiment, but it is mentioned as an example of CTPs that do not conflict with causality, or they are at least free of logical absurdities, though they do seem to challenge our notion of an open future (notice, that here past and future refers to the same set of events). Even the overall history of Cosmos could be cyclic, which is precisely what was believed in archaic cultures prior to modern man. It would be interesting to see how physics based on such a constraint on time (periodic boundary conditions) would look like. Tacitly we take time to be linear, and our cosmological models reflect this view (Big Bang theory) but we really don't know if it's true. If on the other hand Time is cyclic, it is bound to affect a whole lot of our contemporary theories, notably the 2. law of Thermodynamics. If there is anyone who has been thinking about these issues, I would greatly appreciate sharing your ideas and/or objections. Viggo Simonsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vanguard Note... Another file makes mention of a phenomenon which directly affects the concept of accelerated time. It is called ALTSCI1.ASC on KeelyNet and states that frequencies are compressed when in the presence of an excitation field. If McKenna is correct, that time is a wave that repeats at ever smaller wavelengths (higher frequencies), then does this mean the Earth is really passing into some higher energy zone? As is postulated in the idea of the Photon Belt which claims we MUST evolve or die because the Earth is moving into an 'enriched' zone. The same principle applies to 'nuclear genesis' where an enriched environment can literally grow new elements, see the superb file MAGSTUFF.ASC on KeelyNet for details about this concept. Jerry/Sysop/KeelyNet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------